OrgDev with Distinction
The Org Dev podcast is all about Organisational Development, a practice that has the power to transform organisations, shape cultures, and empower individuals. Yet, it's often shrouded in mystery and misunderstood. But fear not, because on this podcast, we pull back the curtain to reveal the inner workings of Organisation Development. We demystify the concepts, unravel the strategies, and delve into the real-life experiences of professionals who are driving real and significant change and innovation within organisations.
OrgDev with Distinction
Clear Leadership, Real change with Gervase Bushe - OrgDev Episode 94
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What if organisations can’t be engineered into better performance — only invited into change?
We’re joined by Gervase Bushe, one of the most influential contemporary thinkers in Organisation Development and a leading voice in dialogic OD.
For decades, many change efforts have assumed that if we design the right structure, define the right process and implement the right plan, performance will follow. Bushe’s work challenges that assumption. Drawing on his research into dialogic Organisation Development, Clear Leadership and complexity-informed change, he argues that transformation emerges through conversations, shared meaning and shifts in collective attention.
We explore what this means for organisational culture, leadership in complex environments, and the future of OD practice. For HR leaders, OD practitioners and senior executives navigating uncertainty, this conversation offers a grounded and practical lens on how meaningful change actually happens.
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We’re Dani and Garin – Organisation Development (OD) practitioners who help leaders and people professionals tackle the messiness of organisational life. We focus on building leadership capability, strengthening team effectiveness, and designing practical, systemic development programmes that help you deliver on your team and organisational goals. We also offer coaching to support individual growth and change.
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Gervase Bushe is one of the most influential contemporary thinkers in Organisation Development, best known for his work on dialogic OD, Clear Leadership and change in complex systems.
A Professor of Leadership and Organization Development at the Beedie School of Business, Simon Fraser University, he has shaped how practitioners understand culture, leadership and change in dynamic environments. His work bridges academic rigour and practical application and is widely used by OD consultants, coaches and senior leaders globally.
He is the author of Clear Leadership and, with Robert Marshak, Dialogic Organization Development, a seminal text that helped define dialogic approaches to change. His work explores how organisations transform through conversations, meaning-making and shifts in collective attention, particularly where traditional diagnostic models fall short.
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